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Hello Mary, Pam and beautiful Emily. I am so sorry poor Emiky is going through this.
So, the vets are up in the air about her. It seems to me that Baytril is a good start. Is she still on prednisone. And I apologize, but I don’t know her ‘healthy’ PCV. Do we have that information?
Mary, I think you told the team about your dear friend and her precious Emiky a while back. I certainly hope we can help. Let’s try, for sure.
Love and hang-in-there hugs, Linda
Hi Susie
I’m so happy that Emily is doing so well. Wonderful news. 41 is a very respectable PCV and nothing to worry about in my book. Lots of things affect it a few points either way, so I think you are right not to worry.
I understand that you are wanting to start reducing the pred, and I think your suggestion of reducing by 25% is sensible. As for when to start reducing, I think it depends on how Emily is coping. If she is coping well on her pred and the vet wants to hold off, then I think I’d be inclined to do so. If she is suffering a lot of side effects and you are happy she is stable, then it might be time to start tapering. I know that others will chip in with their opinions when they see your post, so please do wait to see what they say too.
It sounds to me like your little girl is doing great! Their behaviour really does tell you so much, and she certainly seems to be doing well!
Lots of love,
Mary and Mable x
Hi Trish
I would definitely bring it up. The most likely & most simple cause is an infection, but it’s not a 100 % certainty. Neutrophils are the things that protect us from infection & when you see pus on a wound for example, or pus in wee, that’s neutrophils doing their job killing off the baddies forming lovely pus! There are other causes of high neutrophils though – corticosteroids & IMHA for example. so I can’t be certain. However, my suspicion is infection, especially as you already suspect a UTI. There’s a lovely explanation here:
http://www.2ndchance.info/dxme-Neutrophils.htm
( Don’t worry about understanding this next bit too much – Your lab haematologist will be able to look at this in conjunction with band neutrophils, mature/immature neutrophils & possible left-shift & give you an explanation as to what else it could be if it’s not infection – I get a bit boggled with all this myself!)
The Plavix (clopidogrel) dose should be OK as I imagine they’ve given you the correct dose straight away at diagnosis, then checked Max’s clotting time. Just check the dose if your vet if you are not sure or worried. According to
http://www.vetbook.org/wiki/dog/index.php/Immune-mediated_hemolytic_anemia
the clopidogrel dose should be 0.5 – 1.0 mg/kg daily.
You don’t want to overdo it either, as you then get a risk of bleeding. Happy medium.
These clotting problems occur at onset of illness & you just continue the Plavix until there are no more rouleaux, spherocytes etc. seen on the blood smear – they would have been there since the beginning.
Hope I haven’t confused you – this is such a complicated thing to deal with. Get back to me a.s.a.p. if I’ve not explained things properly!
Love Sheena xxxxx
Hi Trish
No, you are not crazy, just paranoid like the rest of us! And quite right too. Better to be over-cautious.
Couldn’t agree with Patrice more – the reticulocytosis slows down as they get into normal levels. This happened with Worzel too – you just don’t see the massive increases as they get better. Bearing in mind Worzel is a greyhound – they have very high PCV & RBC levels, hence make great blood donors – his “normal” PCV is 63 ish, his increases were much, much slower after he reached the 40 mark. During the drug weaning process (azathioprine in his case), he slowly increased & he is now back to always being over 60, which is normal for him. It took a long time as we were very cautious to avoid a relapse! I would say again, take the prednisone weaning slowly & carefully as per this link: https://www.secondchanceaihadogs.com/AIHA_Terms/prednisone-dose-reduction/
When you get to the lowest possible dose of prednisone (hopefully NIL) then you can start reducing the mycophenolate – that drug, like azathioprine, can suppress the bone marrow & we saw further increases with Worzel each time we reduced the drug. I am so boring I have a spread sheet of the figures to prove that!
Brigitte is right – infection hampers them too – we had a recent problem with Worzel – a severe GI tract infection leading to malabsorption – his PCV dropped to 55 & I was very worried as that is low for a greyhound. It shows that any infection will cause a drop in PCV for our dogs, so we have to be on the ball and get any infection treated as soon as possible – UTIs are so common with our IMHA dogs & easily treated, so don’t worry.
I have looked at Max’s blood results – all looking so much better on the later test on the anaemia front, Trish. BUT I am highly suspicious of an infection as his neutrophils (they are the things that attack bugs) are a bit high & so are his monocytes – monocytes indicate inflammation too. So let’s hope the vets get to the bottom of this possible UTI. As Linda mentioned, Sadie has a very nasty UTI & has been on Baytril & minocycline – we checked both these drugs for safety with IMHA dogs with Dr Jean Dodds & she was happy with those choices. Of course, it’s always better to find out from a culture exactly which bug it is, then treat with an antibiotic known to be effective against that particular bug. But please feel free to ask if you are in any doubt about the antibiotic they chose. You already know the three no-no groups. Many of us have used doxycycline, so we also know that is OK to give our pups. Pop a quick message on here if you are worried about anything.
So, maybe this infection is holding Max back a little, that certainly happens. Don’t expect huge increases any more. In our experience, it slows down at this stage in treatment. At one time, I would have paid a million pounds for Worzel to be in the normal range!
Your vet has done a superb job with the treatment & all the right blood tests & blood smears too. I note the presence of rouleaux, so am glad to see the plavix – I am the site nag about clotting issues, but your vet has already spotted it & done the right thing.
Have you ever tried sucralfate? In my opinion it’s much better than prilosec. It has to be given well away from all the other medications as it will prevent their absorption & we can’t risk that. Worzel was in a lot of pain with his tummy, so we added sucralfate in & he never looked back. In view of Max’s sensitive tummy, I would give him some. Here’s some information:
https://www.secondchanceaihadogs.com/AIHA_Terms/sucralfate/
Let us know how you get on – Max is in the best possible hands with a Mum like you
Love & hugs
Sheena & the boys xxxxx
Hey Linda and Sadie
Yes, it is going to go up Friday. Sadie, do you hear me? Mable says the same. Seriously though, I know you are waiting on an increase, but we’ll still take holding, and perky? Yup, we’ll have that too. There’s so much information in how they present overall, isn’t there? I think Frank has just reiterated this. If she seems better in herself, then that is a great sign.
Keep going Sadie baby, you’re doing so well. Same to Mum, too! Fingers, toes, paws and whiskers crossed for tomorrow.
Loads of love,
the M’s x
Oh Wendy, I am so thrilled to read this. You must be over the moon! What a difference a day makes, eh? I know you are still running that marathon, but this is a heck of a good start!
I’m sorry Mama Bear is feeling left out. Isn’t it funny how perceptive they are? When I brought Molly home from hospital, she was so sick and I was worried Mable would pounce at her and want to play. Mable just came up and sniffed her. She knew 100% her sister was poorly and didn’t bother her at all. They know and sense an awful lot more than we give them credit for.
Bless you for taking Frank in and caring for him. He has certainly been through a lot, and I think Sheena made a really valid point about him previously suffering parvo and a possible impact on the immune system.
Anyway, really wonderful news Wendy. Give that boy a big cuddle from us.
Mary and Mable x
Yes Miss Sadie – you will stick to Mum’s carefully laid plan of an increase. I know you will, you little darling.
Linda – that’s really good to hear – you are not imaging she’s better – you know her too well for that. Cyclosporine AND soloxine are a winning combination. Perky is my favourite word for today. Perky Sadie & Perky Frank – I will sleep better tonight – bet you do too!
Biggest, warmest hugs, doggie kisses & loads of love
Sheena & the boys xxxxx
Can you hear us screaming yeeehaw from France? I hope so! We are all just over the moon to hear about Frank’s improvement. No wonder you thought he was feeling more perky.
Wendy, you are the best – so is Frank – and his lovely friend Mama Bear. Here’s to going up …. up & up from now on. Wonderful.
Love Sheena & the boys xxxxx