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Megan,
I so feel for you. It is so hard to see our dogs being so sick and there is nothing that seems to help. I am sorry but I don’t recall how many transfusions have been made with Sophie. I have read of dogs that had up to 6. If the body keeps getting blood from the outside, it starts to think that there is no need to produce. So you are between a rock and a hard place. Some of the immune suppressing drugs also cause the bone marrow to slow down making blood. It is all very complicated and I honestly don’t understand it all. What I know for sure though, there is NO quick fix for this disease. It all takes an awful long time.
I don’t know how Sophie is feeling, what hare her clinical signs. Has she started to eat a bit? Only YOU know when she has had enough. But then I remember Dr. Dodds saying to me,where there is life there is hope!
have you read any of the Meisha’s Hope success stories?
http://www.cloudnet.com/~jdickson/successstories.htm
Maybe you will find some answers there as to how long some dogs took to improve. If you are waiting for a call back, I think you should just go there and tell them you need someone to see Sophie. They will not turn you away.
Best wishes,
Brigitte
Megan
You mustn’t give up yet – please – there are lots of other drugs to try. I’m not impressed with your vet one bit. I read something written by Patrice that her vet said about her dear dog Chance – “we cannot put humans down when they stop making blood. We support them with transfusions and make them comfortable while we figure out how to help them make blood again.”
As an ex-nurse, I was never a believer in quantity not quality where life is concerned, so I do not quote Patrice lightly. If I thought there was no hope, I would tell you. A different drug or a cocktail could be the miracle answer for Sophie & you must give her EVERY CHANCE to recover. There is no reason why you shouldn’t try azathioprine, as long as you are aware of the possibility of pancreatitis. This drug worked for Worzel pretty quickly, despite my doubts that it would, but I was willing to give it a few weeks. The only time I ever cried in front of Worzel was when the local vets phoned with the news of new baby red cells – reticulocytes! All dogs are different and nothing is guaranteed, but everything is worth a try, as long as quality of life is not compromised. Bear in mind that ALL dogs suffer badly from the side effects at this stage – it is unavoidable and you cannot change that.
You need the support of a vet who is willing to listen to ideas, suggestions & the experience of other people – hard to find indeed, but invaluable when you do. I can’t believe your awful luck with vets – this has to change, even if you end up having to drive to Dr Dodds with Sophie, it has to be worth it. This is a horrible time for you & Sophie & I wish I was closer to help you. Please know we are thinking of you all the time & I am behind you, every step of the way.
Sheena & her boys
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Hi Claire!
Great to hear from you – yes they are disgusting – eat anything, anytime, anywhere, despite being fed adequately & healthily. They don’t understand why we are so freaked out with their dirty habits. Hope Brian is settling in with Miss Frosty Pants & you are enjoying your new ventures.
Loads of love
Sheena, Worzel & Ollie
Megan,
even though this antibiotic is not familiar to me I would not be worried about it interfering with the immune suppressing drugs. My dog was on antibiotics off and onn for a long time because of urinary tract infections (UTI) I usually gave him a bit of yoghurt with that and he did not have a problem. Since Kahlu had lots of problems with his stomach we gave the Sucralfate 2x per 24 hrs. He was a 52 pound dog though.
Check with Dr. Dodds about the immunosupressant and what else could be done. Has tyroid medication ever been mentioned? This could be an avenue to explore.
Best wishes,
Brigitte
Hi Megan
What a relief! Goodness, I’m so glad to hear it’s not bleeding at all. Best to be on the safe side & check anything like that though. I am a great believer in using chlorhexidine for skin infections, but you have to be careful not get get it in eyes, ears or noses. That stuff kills 99.9 % of bacteria, viruses & fungi and the effects last for about 12 hours. The prednisolone stops things healing over, so this is difficult. Worzel had a raw, wet sore (where they shaved him too closely for the drip & it bled) on his leg for months & months. It didn’t heal up until he was weaned off the prednisolone, so I just cleaned & dressed it twice per day. It was really difficult inventing a raised dressing to stop the padding from touching the soggy surface. I wouldn’t have covered it up if he hadn’t insisted on lick, lick, licking it! If Sophie can’t reach to lick the sores, they are probably better left to keep dry on the open air. Can anyone out there remember what Robert used when his Maggie had skin problems?
You asked for details of other people’s medications:
Worzel (24kg in weight) was on (in addition to his heart murmur medicines twice a day)
Prednisolone 20mg twice per day – 10am & 10pm
Azathioprine 50mg once per day WITH FOOD at 6pm (can cause pancreatitis so dogs need to kept a very close eye on with this drug)
Doxycycline 250mg once per day for 6 weeks (he had an infection – most likely a tick-borne disease called ehrlichiosis)
Tardyferon 80mg (iron supplement) once per day with food at lunchtime 12.30
Famotidine (I think you call that Pepcid in the US) once per day – in afteroon 3pm
Sucralfate 1g last thing at night – midnight
He didn’t need aspirin either as his problem was in his bone marrow so he didn’t have any abnormal clotting risks (like Sophie actually). It is a nightmare trying to work out the pill schedules, but it is so important to keep certain medicines apart from each other (sucralfate for example prevents absorption of other the drugs), so that they can have the best effect. Also giving them as instructed e.g. with or without food can make a huge difference. If you are unsure, someone on here will know. We weaned him off the prednisolone when his PCV went up & had remained stable for a couple of weeks. The weaning must only be started when this PCV stability has been achieved & must be done nice & slowly to prevent a relapse.
He was very ill, Megan, as they all are because of the drug treatment, but now he is only on 1 x 50mg azathioprine per week. It has taken a year for him to reach this point, so things don’t improve overnight, unfortunately.
You are a BRILLIANT Mum. Keep in touch & know we are ALL thinking of you. My vet was saying yesterday that I now know more people with experience of this disease than he does (it was a complement to all who help on here) – this is the best place in the world for support from other people that have been in the same situation. Hugs to dear Sophie from all of us.
Sheena, Worzel & Ollie
OOOHHHHHH Vally
Thanks for the recipe – sounds so delicious I’ll try some myself! We suffered the whinging, barking & moaning all through yesterday & he is back on top form today. No emergency toilet visits last night! I shut him in the bedroom so I could give Ollie his bedtime biscuits – Ollie is so sweet that he wouldn’t eat them without his friend there, even though he is normally a greedy piglet – they are funny, aren’t they? Worzel had a light lunch with some probiotic, so we’ll see what happens, but he’s back to his normal loony self. Thanks for your concern – I think I just get paranoid at the slightest thing, constantly dreading a relapse after the ravaging treatment he’s been through. If I looked from the outside, I would be telling myself not to over-react!
Sheena & not-so-stinky bott
Patrice
Hi Brigitte
It’s not too bad – not panicking just yet as he is not acting ill at all. I suspect he’s done his usual trick of eating compost while I’m not looking. Only diarrhea (just loose stools really), no vomiting or temperature so vet & I have chatted – NO FOOD for 24hrs & a probiotic only. He is starving and is NOT speaking to me!!!!! I am officially the most cruel Mum in the world today. We suffered 20 minutes of whining & barking at tea time (Vally can relate to this!). If he is no better tomorrow, back to the vets again. Glad we had the blood test yesterday. Gums are nice & pink, but the horror of a relapse is always in the back of my mind, especially when we know how quickly they can go downhill. Mrs Paranoid here spent last night in bed with her hand across his chest (I like to check heartbeat & breathing) & switched the light on 73 times to check him – aaaagh! Checking his wee is one of my nicer habits too – no bilirubin at the moment. Off to bed for an early night. Thanks for thinking of us
Sheena & Stinky Bott