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Lynette, great news to hear Macy is feeling better.
Regenerative is not good news – its GREAT GREAT news. It’s the best news you can hear from a vet, truly.
Ramona is right, Macy will be forever the spoiled one, as it should be.
Vally
Had what I thought was going to be a setback a few hours ago as when I checked Macy’s gums they were stark white. Called vet immediately and was sent to the emergency hospital in case a transfusion was needed. She had been napping pretty hard for a good while before I had checked her and I just snatched her up and headed off on the 45 minute drive to the hospital. When we got there they rushed her back and started assessing her. In the hour since I had checked her gums they had turned back a very, very pale pink. When they ran the hematocrit she was at 15% on one test they ran and 17% on the other, so actually anywhere from 2-4% better than Monday after only being on her prednisone for two days. So what I thought was going to be bad news turned out to be a bit of a relief to know that the medicine is working and she is at the bare minimum hanging steady if not slightly improved. Still go back to regular vet on Friday for another check before the weekend.
I am so proud of myself for being positive and upbeat the whole drive to the animal hospital. Macy would never know how worried I really was. It was worth the $$ to now know that she is not getting worse, at least at this point, and we can both sleep a little better tonight.
I can’t express how much everyone’s responses and wonderful advice has helped me. I have gone from a basketcase to a woman of action and determination. I truly appreciate each of you.
Lynette,
What a scary evening for you and Macy, but a good outcome! One of the phrases Vally shared with me was “welcome to the paranoid pet owners club”. It’s so true, I still check Murphy’s gums everyday, more if he’s having a lazy day. One tip I got from this site was to check his gums after he’s been up walking around because when dogs rest they store their red blood cells in their spleen. Just a little tip for the future!
I know how priceless a confirmation is though, I remember reciting the phrase “please don’t be worse” while waiting for blood results. Hope you both get a much needed good nights sleep!!
Erin & Murphy
Thanks for that info, Erin. I have not had time to read everything yet as this has just been a whirlwind. Surprised my vet wouldn’t have thought to mention that reason for the white gums.
So now I need advice on what supplements that I should be giving to help any damage from the pred. She is currently taking 10 mg once a day and that is the only medication that was prescribed. Since then I have added Zantac and I have just been giving 1/4 tablet about an hour before feeding. What other things should I be doing? I’ve seen reference to milk thistle and the SAM stuff. I’m unfamiliar with these so please advise. And is there any particular type of food I should try to avoid or that would be best. She hasn’t seemed hungry today and I’m not too concerned on that as she ate a lot yesterday and the day before and has been drinking plenty of water but not pooped since Tuesday night and it was a slightly orange color.
A friend reached out that has had three dogs taken from her by this disease and I will be calling her tonight.
Anyone who wants to, feel free to throw out some suggestions here. I will be taking her to regular vet tomorrow for another hematocrit check before the weekend.
Oh, and what about that biopreparation stuff I’ve read about, is that good or no?
Hi Lynette, I’m sorry about the scare. I guess hearing white gums, the vet would always go on the cautious route and suggest you take Macy to be checked.
As Erin explained, gums will always be paler after they’ve been sleeping or resting. Blood is released from the spleen when needed, so when they jump up to do anything, blood is released from the spleen. It’s all very clever.
Your friend, I cannot image having 3 dogs with this disease. It was so hard with just 1.
On the blood test results you’ve sent through, I can’t see any liver enzyme results. That is where you would see if the liver is suffering damage from the drugs. Denamarin is great for liver recovery contains SAMe, more expensive than plain milk thistle though, but it’s dose precise for dogs, whereas milk thistle depends on quality of the herb. If Milk Thistle, use a good quality human brand.
Good luck tomorrow.
Vally
Vally
Now this is from me again. About the bio preparation. No. None of us here will recommend it. It’s cropped up many times, unfortunately because it plays on many desperate owners who want a miracle cure.
We have looked into this and have found NO evidence of any clinical trials. All the testimonials are on the site selling the product.
Vally
Lynette,
You have to be careful what you buy. Unscrupulous people know how desperate dog owners can be to save their dog and they will prey on that panic by offering very expensive promises that their product will cure your dog. There is not one thing on the market that will do that. And, in fact, many of these products can actually make your dog worse.
One particular ingredient that is touted often is Kelp, seaweed. They claim that it has many health benefits. The risk with this natural product is that it can contain variable levels of iodine, because it is harvested naturally. (It can also absorb toxic elements from the water where it is harvested, like lead.)
Iodine, in trace amounts, is important in human thyroid health. Canines need it too but in even smaller trace amounts. The risk with even just a little too much is that it can cause damage to the thyroid gland which can lead to an acceleration of a condition called canine autoimmune thyroiditis. This is a gradual destruction of the thyroid gland and will make a dog very ill.
Iodine, unfortunately, is an ingredient (sometimes in too large of a dose) in far too many canine supplements and dog foods. Adding more to what may already be too much by supplementing will cause damage to the canine thyroid.
Our experience is that the best way to treat these very sick dogs is to remove as many suspect supplements and ingredients from the diet as possible. We can’t know what is interacting and possibly causing worse symptoms. Many owners do not know the some of the kinds of foods that humans eat can be hazardous to dogs. They think since it is good in our diet, it must be good for dogs.
If you wish to supplement right now one of the recommendations by Dr. Dodds is Pet-Tinic. You can also buy “look-a-likes” for Pet-Tinic like Doc Roy’s B STRONG.
Or alternatively you could cook up a tiny bit of liver and give her a small piece once a day. The guideline is about 1 ounce per 10 pounds of body weight per week. So my dogs at around 90lbs would get about 9 ounces per week (a finger sized piece a day). This is real food and it has enormous amounts of nutrition.
Real food is always going to provide trace minerals and vitamins that you can actually determine the amount by looking a food’s nutrition table. I was NEVER able to find an appropriate nutrition table for bio-prep. They only said that because it was a natural product they couldn’t provide that kind of information because it was too variable. That’s dangerous.
my best
patrice