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Sunny looks in such poor shape today , I worry this transfusion will kill her or the drive up the highway where she is terrified. But I can’t just leave her in this state and hope.
The vet said her bone marrow is just not doing its job. That is simple yet I know it is not. She never had the bone marrow biopsy. Dr said Sunny is not the typical AIHA case – what does it mean that the cell line is shut down. I think the vet said that. I want to do what is right for Sunny. I may be selfish and want to push this poor thing into treatment after treatment and it becomes tragic.
I will take her tomorrow at 9am. I just wonder with her weakness today , if I should go tonight.
I want dr Dodds on board but I just am running out of money and I have to spend my remaining bit on the most important/vital things. (which of course I know not what tthey are). My little pup just lays ALL day . Today she felt limper.
Well I will write later. Thank you for all this support. She has been on the atopica for about 8 days.
Love,
maura
Maura,
While this website is titled AIHA Dogs, it is also titled Second Chance, after my dog Chance who had bone marrow failure. While we talk about AIHA or IMHA most of the time, the reality is that a portion of the dogs that we help have this rarer form of autoimmune diseases: bone marrow failure.
The signs of bone marrow failure include a lack of proper regeneration in the bone marrow. What does this mean?
Each day, in every human and dog, we make new red blood cells in our bone marrow to replace old worn out red blood cells (that are replaced at about 120 days of life). We also make new white blood cells and platelets.
All three of these cell types come from the same stem cell, a template, that goes through various stages of growth to mature. See this diagram that shows this development:
https://www.secondchanceaihadogs.com/AIHA_Terms/hsc-hematopoietic-stem-cells/
In autoimmune non-regenerative anemia, which is what Maura has, at one of these stages of development, the immune system attacks and destroys these developing red blood cells. Look at this diagram carefully and you will note that this attack can be focused directly on the red blood cells, but it could also be directed at the white blood cells or even the platelets. So some very unlucky dogs have losses in all three types of cells, not just the red blood cells.
Why does this happen? The immune system is complex and researchers still study this trying to find answers. So what I tell you is from some of that research. Dr. Dodds has been researching and applying her knowledge of this dog condition for over 30 years.
Many things influence the immune system and can include:
Genetic influences, Pregnancy, Stress, Hormonal Irregularities, Nutritional Influences, Adverse Drug Reactions, Viral Infection, Frequent or Recent Use of MLV Vaccines, Underlying or Concomitant Disease, Other Autoimmune Disorders (such as hypothyroidism.)
This is a large list. Due to this complexity it is often not possible, even with a ton of testing, to find the CAUSE of bone marrow failure! What do we do? And remember, this can happen to humans as well. It can be slightly different, but in a sense it is the same thing.
Well, in humans we just can’t put them down. My vet told me that in humans, if they are not making blood, we give them transfusions and support them until we can figure out how to help them make blood again. This was a wise thing to say to me, personally, because I had been feeling that way about Chance but didn’t know how to express my feelings. Even as sick as he was, he still had a very strong will to live. He was still interested in his family, his yard (which included even barking and running at a squirrel) and in keeping Cassie “under control.”
So here is how Dr. Dodds views the diagnosis and treatment of these special dogs. We may never know, or at least understand the science, of why this happened. So don’t spin your wheels trying to understand it. It took me a long time to actually understand that and accept it.
So Dr. Dodds’ approach is this. In dogs (unlike humans) we can try out therapies to see if they work. Well, it’s not as willy nilly as it sounds. Dr. Dodds’ vast clinical experience has led her to understand what treatments work well. It’s that simple. She can try one on a dog and see if it helps. So that is exactly what we did with Chance, try her treatment to see if it would help. Then she said, if it didn’t, we could go on to further diagnostics or try other treatments.
The Atopica, the first thing we tried, worked. It was that simple. This was 2007 and I could not even find information on the internet for non regenerative anemia in dogs! But she had been applying this treatment, using cyclosporine, since 1988.
And today, long after her first use of this in dogs, cyclosporine is slowly becoming the treatment of choice, not only in dogs with non regenerative autoimmune anemia but also in dogs with regenerative anemia.
If you wanted to target the bad guys who are stealing in your neighborhood, you wouldn’t capture everyone who lived in your neighborhood, you would trap only the bad guys, correct? That is exactly what cyclosporine does, it targets the “bad guys” of the immune system ONLY. Prednisone and Azathioprine target the whole immune system and the side effects are very bad. So using Atopica has the benefit of less side effects. In particular Azathioprine works in a way that can lead to suppression of the bone marrow if used long term, so its not that great either for treating this condition.
So how long do you wait to see if this works? Well, there is no time table, but if, within say 2 months, there is no change, then you do need to look at other causes. Transfusions help while you wait and research.
How long can you go on like this? Well, certainly not indefinitely. In humans it is not possible to “put them down” so we keep them comfortable and support them as best we can, but they may die if the doctors can’t find a good treatment. In dogs, we do have the choice of compassionate euthanasia. Why? Well, at least in the US, dogs are considered property so the law allows this.
How do we feel about this, morally? Everyone has a different thought. We try to honor all those thoughts. We cannot tell anyone what to do. It is their choice alone. We can offer our stories and tell you why we waited, or didn’t wait, or how our dog failed during the treatment and didn’t survive. In some cases a family could not continue treating because of finances.
But the important part is that you understand the condition and you understand why you made the decision you did, one way or the other. If you do this you can be comfortable with your decision and not feel guilt. Guilt is a monster, it can destroy your confidence and lead you to make faulty decisions.
No matter what happens, the important thing is that you are with Sunny and that is all she understands. She does not “know” about death. She can’t fear it. She does not fear future pain. She lives in this moment, right now. Each moment that you are with her, are happy and love her, is all she needs to know or all she understands. She does not judge you. She agreed a long time ago to obey you in all things and your responsibility to her is to make good decisions. Make those decisions with a clear head and out of deep love.
my best
patrice
Patrice,
I wish I could report that Sunny is interested in her yard -but less and less life in her each day. She looks at me when I am walking about. She can’t get up and chase anything or hardly go potty. We carry her everywhere and help her to stand for her food. So that is the stage we are in. She will eat out of my hand.
We go to the clinic tomorrow at 9am and I will have the 3rd transfusion for her and I will give the vet all the great links you all have sent. I have to look at it like she’s getting a bit of blood to buy her time. I guess the word transfusion just frightens me for her. But left in this state and she will die- allowed another transfusion she may or may not recover-.But she is my heart dog. There has been no human that has ever looked at me with such a soulful expression as Sunny.
I will let the forum know the results. They will have to let me stay right with her.
love,
maura
Hi Maura – oh, how my heart goes out to you. I know only too well, and too recently, how difficult this all is. What Patrice wrote is absolutely right – about the medical condition, about the ethics, about what dogs understand. And I really agree with her last line: you need to listen to your heart, but make any decisions with a clear head – and I know you will make them out of deep love.
Don’t be scared of the word transfusion – it does potentially buy time for her immune system to begin to respond. And if you can stay with her, the dog of your heart, then I am sure she will feel so loved.
Please keep us all posted
Lynda
xx
Maura, you and Sunny are in my heart, and we are all with you as you think these things through.
Ashki has the same kind of IMHA that Sunny has — bone marrow failure. I made a promise to Ashki — as long as he was fighting and wanted to live, I would fight for him. But if he was ready to go, and wanted to stop fighting, I would help him go with a compassionate euthanasia. I make that same commitment to all of my dogs.
In 2011, 8 months after my father died, I lost my dear heart dog Sierra to hemangiosarcoma. She fought for over 5 months, but that last week, I could tell she was tired of fighting and it was too much for her. It devastated me, but I planned her last day and made it full of her favorite things. And then the house was so quiet after she was gone.
Six weeks later a friend called me and told me she knew a young dog that needed somewhere to go, he was neglected and ill, and could I take him? I told her I would at least foster him, but that I didn’t know if I was ready to make another lifetime commitment as I was still in so much pain from losing Sierra. That dog was Ashki, and here we are.
I too know that no matter what you do, it will be out of deepest love. I’m so glad you will stay with her during the transfusion, I know that will be such a comfort to her and to you.
with much love,
tamara and ashki xoxoxo
Tamara and everyone
I know I do not know any of you but I am so grateful for the continued help. Life’s ups and downs sometimes make us forget there are some REALLY REALLY nice people out there.
I will keep you all posted.
Love,
Maura and Sunny
Hi All
Just up at 211 am in a bit of insomnia about tomorrow. I have been reading through the success stories and noting it seems the atopica worked faster in most cases. It has been since aug 12 and the pred and aziatiaprine did not work and the atopica has yet to in the 9 days.
I would be good if I could sleep- have to leave tomorrow morning at 830 am.
My inner clock has been all off since aug 12.
Love
Maura and Sunny