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Hi Maura
Thanks for forgiving my awful mistake! Being completely stressed out is normal – most of us had never heard of this nasty disease, so you just don’t know what to do. I’m sure the vets will completely understand your anxiety. It’s horrible. She is going to be very, very tired & your vet is right to get you to check her gums for pinkness regularly. Just don’t panic if they are pale when she has just woken up. Dogs store a lot of blood in their spleens while they sleep & it only goes back into the circulation when they are fully awake & alert. So, I hope that helps! I had Worzel’s PCV checked every other day when he wasn’t producing any new cells, just to make sure his PCV hadn’t dropped too much (yes – I admit I was completely paranoid). I would recommend you do that for your own peace of mind – it saves you going crazy with worry.
It is pretty common for the PCV to drop after transfusions, so try not to worry too much about that. Poor Sunny must have felt awful at a PCV of only 8. That is very low indeed. When the drugs start to do their job, things should start to stabilise, but it doesn’t happen overnight – we all wish it did! – and we have to be patient to start with. If she needs another transfusion to tide her over, well so be it – as long as she gets better.
Great to see Sunny is on prednisone & azathioprine, plus the tummy protector famotidine. You can also ask your vet to add sucralfate for tummy protection -it’s great stuff. You need to give the tummy protector separate from the other drugs because it prevents proper absorption. Always give the azathioprine with food as there is a risk of pancreatitis with this drug. My Worzel was on azathioprine & he became regenerative a couple of weeks after starting it, so I am crossing everything for this to happen to Sunny too! A more commonly used drug used these days is cyclosporine, so if the azathioprine doesn’t work or Sunny has problems tolerating it (all dogs are different) then there are other drugs you can try. All these drugs are in our glossary of AIHA Terms (at the top) so you can look up anything like that – we have tried to explain how/when to give the drugs, the side effects etc. If you’d rather just ask on the forum, that’s OK too!
I would like you to talk as quickly as possible about changing the antibiotic because this can have an adverse effect on Sunny’s blood. We have recently been discussing which antibiotics are not suitable (they can make things worse) for dogs with AIHA & I have just checked Ciprofloxacin for you – it has some risks of worsening the anaemia & causing other problems with the other types of blood cells too. It also suppresses the bone marrow, which is the last thing Sunny needs as she is not producing enough red cells as it is. Please look at this link – you can print it & take it to the vets maybe? If you page down to the hematologic side effects, these are very important & my personal view is that I would change to something safer if it were my dog. It’s not worth taking the risk.
http://www.drugs.com/sfx/ciprofloxacin-side-effects.html
I also see ciprofloxacin interacts with anti-clotting medications. Clotting is a huge risk as I mentioned and I don’t see an anti-clotting medication on Sunny’s list. Please could you also urgently check with your vet as to what tests they have done to ensure Sunny is NOT at risk from clotting. Sorry to be such a naggy person, but it is very important – we all want Sunny to get the best possible treatment. I would really like you to send us copies of her blood tests & blood smear results- some of us can check to make sure everything is OK for you.
I expect I’ve bombarded you with enough information, so I’ll leave you in peace for now. There are many experienced & knowledgeable people on here who care about you & Sunny – if you are worried about anything, please feel free to ask any of us for help.
Sending you loads of love & best wishes – a big hug to the pretty girl too!
Sheena, Worzel & Ollie xxx
Maura,
Just a query. Sunny is on prednisone 2 x daily (20mgs). Is that 20mg a day or 40mg a day? What does Sunny weigh? Bingo weighed about 17 pounds when diagnosed and was on 10 mg x 2 times a day (20mg daily). The usual dosage is 1 mg per pound to start with.
Love Vally & Bingo
Vally & Bingo,
The prednisone pill says 20 mg tabs and the dose says give 1 tablet by mouth every 12 hours. My Sunny is a 22 lb shih tzu (loves to eat). She is definitely getting the usual side effects of weakened legs. And her appetite is still fairly good.
I read all the Our Stories pages and feel so many things including hope–but I am afraid to hope too much. I also never could believe such caring dog people are out there like all of you on this page.
Tonight Sunny is the same but she had a few barks today and one time got up to see where I had gone out to the backyard. She wagged her tail once too.
My big debate with myself is whether to take her tomorrow to have the PVC test when our appointment is wed. The local vet can draw the #’s just to ease my mind. BUT the specialist is 45 minutes away via some Buffalo NY highways that are no fun to drive. I keep checking her gums and thus far they are still pinkish.
Well I better go carry Sunny outside as she need to “go”a lot with this prednisone.
THANK YOU x 1000000
Maura, don’t you hate the big debate that goes on in your head day in, day night.
If it were me, I THINK I’d go to the local vet to have the PCV checked. If you have any doubts about Sunny though, maybe go to the specialist. If the gums look punk that’s great.
The prednisone sounds a bit high to me. Do you want to check that when you go to the specialist next. If Sunny stays stable, and she sounds as though she is doing great, they may suggest a reduction anyway.
Love Vally & Bingo
Hi Maura and darling Sunny — Welcome to this most wonderful forum, although I am so sorry you need us. Maura, my Ashki is my sunshine too, so I completely understand :) . Ashki was not making red blood cells too for a very long time. Ashki may have been over-transfused so it is so important that you learn as much as you can so you can be an advocate for Sunny. This can be very difficult, but the moderators here will help you.
Also, this group is wonderful for helping you to understand the lab work, they can go through line by line, which our vets just don’t have time to do, and help you understand what each line means and what questions to ask.
I also went to check PCV 3 times a week until Ashki was improving and stable. This disease is so very scary, and I agree with everyone, don’t feel guilty about the vax, you were acting in Sunny’s best interest. There are things I did too that I wish I had not, but when we know better, we do better.
I have learned to pay more attention to how Ashki is feeling and acting. There have been a couple times that Ashki’s numbers have come back low, and it confused me because he was feeling so good. Our next check and the numbers popped back up! So I am so happy to hear that Sunny is acting like she is feeling better.
Post often and ask lots of questions, everyone is here to help.
Sending you and Sunny much love and many hugs —
tamara and ashki
in the fight since 04/30/2014
Hi Maura and Sunny!
Welcome to the forum! I’m sorry for the reasons you had to come but you really are in the best possible place — we all know what you are going through and the mods (and some of the members..looking at you, Tamara) are super brilliant and well-researched in this awful awful disease. They are your best assets, especially when, as Tamara said, your vet might not be available or offer to go thru it all with you in the detail you will most certainly want.
I’m sorry to hear that your specialist is so far away — that is stressful for sure, but its a good thing you have a general vet close by for any emergencies or fearful moments..my pup, Steve, was diagnosed 6/2 and I pretty much lived in the vets office for the entire month of June. We did PCV checks LITERALLY every other day AT LEAST for weeks. Poor Steve.. its a wonder he still loves me lol!
Wonderful to hear that Ms. Sunny is feeling a little better — clinical presentation is super important, as is being home with her people, I think. Steve’s PCV hung out at 25-27% for awhile and both his regular vet and specialist kept saying that his clinical presentation didn’t reflect that and that that was JUST as important.
Please let us know how she’s doing!
xoxo HOpe and Steve (and his stinky brother JEffrey)
Hi Maura
Oh yes, there is much hope – this disease can be beaten with right treatment & you have great allies on here who are fighting with you. I am really pleased Sunny is feeling a bit perky – that’s great! And we all learn to watch them like a hawk. We have all become a bit crazy – I will never be the same. I worry about every little thing with Worzel & many of us have definitely been scarred for life (as Tamara often says!).
Vally is right – that is a very high dose of prednisone if Sunny is 22 pounds. I know she had a very low PCV & I have seen higher than usual doses given before. The usual dose to start with is 1mg per pound or 2mg per kilo. Worzel was about 20 kg (he had already lost weight) & was on 2 x 20mg doses – 20mg every 12 hours.
Let us know how she’s doing
Love Sheena, Worzel & Ollie xxx