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Hope,
Chance used to pant quite a bit, even when lying down, because his liver was very enlarged from the prednisone exposure and it was uncomfortable for him to lay on his side pressing against it. He had stopped getting on the bed or couch he was so uncomfortable.
You can check the breathing rate. 10-34 breaths per minute, unless panting.
Another side effect of high dose prednisone is a reduced ability to moderate body temperature. Try putting some fans around on the floor. Lay a folded blanket down for him to lie on next to the fan. Chance’s elbows got raw during this time as the prednisone made his skin very delicate, so just my own warning, Steve’s elbows may be fine.
Try to think of every mechanism in the body that controls things like respiration, heart rate, digestion, blood sugar, muscle contractions, nerve impulses etc as being hampered by the excess cortisol. It’s like being on alert all day all night long. Imagine that feeling you get when you almost have a car accident and how you would feel if that was all day long. Ugh.
That is a good sized reduction, but if it is necessary then so be it. If he was able to recover nicely from the mailman incident then that is a positive.
I wouldn’t necessarily worry about the gums being colored differently but do mention it to your vet. Many dogs have colorations of their gums that makes them variegated.
Here’s a test for everyone reading this. Check your pet’s gums. Does anyone see black gums? Ha. I panicked the first time I saw that in Chance. But after a quick survey of all the other Giant Schnauzer owners on my GIANT list, I found this seems to be a breed characteristic. Nothing wrong there, but can be hard to tell if the gums are ok!
Willie also has a number of black spots on his tongue call Donnerthal spots. This is just a collection of melanin in the skin, inherited. Many dogs have these and so do cats. Search google images for either Donnerthal spots or dog black spots on tongue.
I got really good at evaluating Chance’s color by just looking at his ears. When he was at his worst, those ears were gray. Also you can pull down the lower lid of the eye and check color there.
To check for appropriate capillary refill, press your thumb on the gums and hold. Then release. The gums should fill up pretty quickly. The normal response is one second or less. More than two seconds may mean poor circulation. When the thumb print stays pale for three seconds or longer, the dog is in shock. Try that on both sides and see if Steve’s gums are responding the same on each side. Make it fun for him by putting something good tasting on your thumb ;-}
To check blood flow in the body, test the temperature of each paw. All the same or is one really cool to the touch?
To check heart rate, have your dog lay on the right side. Bend the left elbow up onto the chest. The elbow marks the location of the heart. A dog’s heart DOES NOT beat at the same pace as a human’s, don’t get upset if you feel it pausing! This is due to an inspiratory pause (during breathing).
To count, try to do it for at least 30 sec to account for this pausing (and then double the number). When you count upwards of 200 beats per minute your dog is having trouble. I would say around 60 to 160 beats per minute is considered normal, slower in large dogs, faster in small dogs.
my best, patrice
Hope, I’m so glad you’re asking these questions, Patrice’s explanations are so wonderful and helpful and I’m learning so much.
Ashki was the same as his pred came down, less drinking and peeing. Ashki’s gums look different too, because he bites his lips sometimes and that can make them look pale! I learned that one time when I went tearing down to the hospital in a panic, the ER vet who was on (who had seen Ash and knew his case) told me about that. Sheesh!!
I’m another member of the club — poor Ashki really does not like to do his business in front of me, he really likes his privacy, but I do shine a light at night on him when he pees, and go over and inspect his poo after he’s gone.
I actually feel comfortable waiting until Monday to take Ash in for his next PCV check, the first time since this all started on 4/30 that I have not been there on the weekend. Knock on wood, though, the weekend’s not over.
I’m SO glad you had a good night’s sleep Hope! One of my friends scolded me a bit and said this is a marathon not a sprint and I need to take care of myself so I can take care of Ash. Make sure you eat well too!
Ashki and I are sending you love and hugs, please give Steve and Jeffrey too some scritchies and belly rubs.
tamara and ashki xoxoxo
Greetings!
Thank you again Patrice for all of your advice and insight! I checked his breathing rate- 31 breaths/min. So he’s good there. It just looks kind of HUH when he exhales, it’s a very drastic looking exhalation. Not out of his mouth but by looking at his body. I also did a capillary refill test and he’s good there thankfully.
Your analogy bout his body being on high alert — he seems super tired today, mainly this afternoon. I wouldn’t say necessarily lethargic bc he jumps up to eat and go out. But as soon as we get in, he’s out. And sleeping hard..we had told his vet that his heavy heavy sleeping was worrisome and he actually said it was a good thing but I’m just concerned thus could be lethargy?
Tamara- I’m soooo happy you and sir Ashki are having a good weekend!! Paws crossed y’all don’t have to go in. Give him an ear scratch for me!!
Xoxo to all!
hope, Steve and jw bean
Hope,
When I was reducing my prednisone dose, I could sleep at the drop of a hat. If you know anything about Dr. Who, I fell asleep one night during an episode. That is unheard of.
Mark took me on a bicycle trip and I could hardly peddle. I have never felt so weak in my life.
Let him sleep.
my best, patrice
Hi Patrice!
Thank you for the warning about the Pred! I shall let the boy sleep tonight.
hOpe
Hello all!
Steve is dokng well today — his gums look pretty nice so I’m not sure if I’m going to bring him in or maybe wait until tomorrow. I had a funny thought tho — the vet told us to watch for lethargy with him. And that’s how I first noticed he was sick way back when this first stRted. I don’t know how on earth I would know if stinky butt was sick bc he eats. Poops. Sleeps. Repeats. He sleeps probably a solid 20 hours a day. Lol!
Hope all are having a good Sunday or whatever day it is where y’all are!
Hope, Steve and comatose
Hey all!
Well I’m wide awake at 3:00 am on Monday morning because Steve gave me a scare.. I swear, since he got sick his breathing is just off. I’ve already mentioned how he breaths really hard (not panting, but it looks like it takes a lot of effort) and ragged sometimes when lying down. But I don’t think I mentioned.. Sometimes he SERIOUSLY looks like he’s not breathing. At all. He’s done it to me and husband and we both almost had heart attacks. If he’s laying on his side it will look like his side isn’t rising up and down at all. When you call him he doesn’t answer. Husband even shook him when it happened to him and nothing so he pretty much picked him up and flipped him and he jumped up like “what the hell dad?” To me just now he was just laying there. I called his name a bunch of times and shook him. Nothing, no response. When I said “pee pee” he jumped up. Husband told the vet about it and he said he was just in deep sleep and it was okay. But I’m pretty sure his eyes were open when he did it with me just now. Anybody have experience with this?
Frazzled Hope