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Hi Terri
There are so many POSITIVES in what you have written – the small change in PCV is nothing – it’s a minute change & he is stable. The hemoglobin is about the same too. Yes of course you want to see a rise, but for now stable is good.
If the vet says he is regenerative, that is brilliant news – this is worth celebrating big time. I would have paid a million dollars to be told that when Worzel was ill.
The platelets are now nicely in normal levels – again, this is very good news and so is the fact his kidneys are not as bad as you thought.
I know you are concerned about the WBCs & this needs looking at again.
Contacting Dr Dodds is still your best option – you will have the best person on your side then.
So, Terri, you are doing a great job. Just be careful with adding “blood building things” – let us know what you are thinking & what they are as sometimes these things can affect the treatment in a negative way.
Love & hugs, Sheena xxxxx
The vet called and confirmed he’s stable. The slides evaluated showed nothing remarkable. the lab results were very similar to the in-house lab tests which is good. Everything looks as it should and ruled out leukemia Hopefully the added pred will get things moving along. We go back on Monday.
I just had a terrible scare…he just started screaming with his body arched. I thought he was dying.
Now I’m terrified again. did he just have a cramp? do we have a clot? should I give him a little aspirin?
What just happened??
My heart won’t stop pounding. he just had his zenequin 15 mins ago…
What should I do? Call the vet?
Terri
This worries me too – arching back & crying in pain can mean pancreatitis. It could also possibly be a clot & he needs to be seen by a vet straight away in either scenario. This could be serious. That is what I would do – go to the nearest emergency clinic. Did you get the answers to the questions I asked you about abnormal clotting? We have been reluctant to recommend aspirin because his platelets were low & I don’t want to give you the wrong advice even though they have now gone up again. If you can’t get the right help nearby, phone Dr Dodds immediately. Tell me what is happening as soon as you can – I will try to keep looking at my messages as often as possible.
Sheena x
Hi Terri. Patrice is the best. Both Patrice and Sheena have you and Koda’s best interest. All their advice is smack on target.
So thinking of you both. You are NOT alone. Please do as Patrice and Sheena have suggested ASSP. Bedt of luck. I will be waiting for your news.
Sending our most sincere go-get-em thoughts, with much love,
Linda and Sadie
The vet wanted me to check certain things with him. all negative. He is sleeping comfortably now. I don’t have the funds to run to an emergency vet…emergency vets around here are only open after regular vets are closed. She suspects gas or constipation discomfort. She is VERY guarded about giving him aspirin because he is on pred but said I could. this can cause additional complications in itself. Dambed if you do dambed if you don’t.
I don’t see a message from Patrice.
we are watching closely.
I must mention that this guy will scream if the bath water is too cold so he could have had a gas bubble. he may be developing an ulcer…I hate these drugs.
Will be ready to run him in if it happens again but she won’t see anything if he goes in now. he is fine. Heart ok breathing ok no bluing in nails, no discomfort, no panting, drinking ok and eating ok. A few of the things she asked me to check. Also no discomfort in palpating his limbs, abdomen, neck. it’s a real mystery.
sorry to alarm everyone..
keeping a watchful eye.
Terri
Terri can you describe the whole event. After Koda did the scream thing, what happened until he seemed normal again. What tests did the vet ask you to do? How long before you can get to the vet? Has Koda eaten yet or wee’d or poo’d.
Bingo did a scream and arch thing a few times always in the middle of the night. We thought possible seizure but because he came out of it immediately we were never sure what did happen.
Hugs and waiting to hear.
Vally and Bingo.
Terri,
I am glad to see that you were able to get into your vet office.
You know, when Chance was on these drugs, (and so too with all dogs on prednisone) his liver enzymes were very high and he was in a lot of pain. What does this mean?
Drugs must be metabolized in the body to be useful. In the case of some of these drugs we use to treat AIHA, IMHA and non-regenerative anemia, the liver is the organ that metabolizes these drugs. Each time you give prednisone, for instance, the liver is the organ that breaks down the drug and makes it available to the body. And each time this happens, some of the liver cells are damaged. They release enzymes into the blood which are markers of this damage. The chem screen monitors Alkaline phosphatase (ALKP) and Alanine aminotransferase (ALT), among others. These values can become very high in our dogs during treatment.
We can’t avoid this situation, unfortunately, because this treatment is necessary to save their lives. However, this inflammation can be darn uncomfortable for a dog. The liver can be extremely swollen and tender. And this was the case with Chance. His ALKP was many many thousands of times higher than normal for instance. I noticed him groaning and having trouble laying down. He no longer wanted to get on anything soft like the couch or bed. I asked Dr. Dodds about this and she told me he is in pain because of his swollen liver.
I am betting that this is the case with Koda. Take a look at the most recent chem screen test results and tell me what the ALKP and ALT are. I bet they are very high. But before you worry, the liver is a very regenerative organ and can survive severe insults. If there was no organic disease before now, then most likely once you decrease the prednisone the liver will recover.
What do you do right now to make him more comfortable? Well, here is what Dr. Dodds had me do. I used a supplement called Denamarin, which is a veterinary blend of silybin and Sam-e. That supplement is known to assist the regeneration of liver cells very well. Once I started him on that his liver enzymes began to drop FAST.
The other thing that Dr. Dodds recommends is her liver cleansing diet. It generally consists of some type of white fish and some vegetables like green beans and white potatoes or yams. Why does this work?
The liver has the job of processing many things, including the old worn out red blood cells in our body (and in AIHA, all the destroyed cells). It does have to work to do this. So the thought is to reduce the work load of the liver by also removing all red blood cells from the diet. When we eat meat those RBC must be processed too. So thus we change the protein to a food that doesn’t contain RBC.
I, too, am a little uncertain about the aspirin. The risk is giving it to him if his platelets are low which can hamper is ability to clot internally. Do you know what value is last test showed for this? PLT.
However, any dog that is currently still actively destroying red blood cells, via the autoimmune destruction, is at risk of developing certain conditions in their vessels that make them at high risk for abnormal clotting. That’s what the aspirin is given for, to reduce that risk of abnormal dangerous clots. We are all worried about this condition called DIC disseminated intravascular coagulation.
Your vet needs to work closely with you to determine what his risk is for this, vs what his risk of low platelets is. We are all sitting on the edge of our seats right now for you.
Do dogs survive this? Of course they do, we are happy to always say that. I have seen some amazing recoveries, beyond belief. Owners play a large role in these recoveries, their home nursing care is so important.
my best
patrice
Vally,
She had me check color in nails and skin, as mentioned above…heart rate, palpate body, visual check on behavior, etc. He’s completely normal and resting peacefully right now.
It’s interesting that this has happened to Bigo too.
It happened so fast and was over in 5 seconds. He was sleeping. Then Arched and screaming, I ran over and stroking him and telling him it’s ok it’s ok…then he just lay back down. Still as a board. looking around. It was over. 5 minutes later he got up and drank some water, then layed back down and went to sleep. he’s been out to pee..all seems normal.
Patrice,
That makes a lot of sense. You are a world of knowledge. I started him on Denamarin last week and his liver values yesterday were better( via phone convo) than 4 days ago. Liver and kidneys:
ALT 30
ALP 380 was 477
BUN 55
CREA 1.7
His PLT are now normal at 257.
I will make him some of the food you mentioned.
Thanks loads…Koda doesn’t realize the team behind him. I feel blessed.
Terri and Koda