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Two questions, did the vet ever ask you about the possibility of Storm getting into old rat poison? Did you discuss this?
Also, is Storm likely to pick up and mouth all kinds of crap? Some coins can cause a form of hemolytic anemia, as can rat poison.
This is a much likelier cause ofhemolytic anemia in young dogs than older dogs because they will get into many things they shouldn’t.
My best Patrice
No we never discussed any of this but he there is no chance of getting into rat poison. I have any of that stuff and he follows me everywhere like a shadow so I always nonwhat he’s up to. He dose mouth on a lot of things but mainly kids toys is the min culprit as I have three young children so my house is very child proofed and animal proof too. Occasionally he will munch on a dead crab at the beach and twice he has eaten a blue bottle but has commuted them back up within in a matter of minutes.
Hi Mariah
So sorry you are going through this with ypour young pup – have a look at our Amy & Coal’s story – Coal was 4months old & likely was triggered by a vaccination. She is doing really well now. Here’s the old posts about her.
https://www.secondchanceaihadogs.com/forums/topic/4mo-pup-imha/
Amy is around from time to time & I’m sure she’s be reassuring you.
My old fella Worzel was diagnosed with bone marrow failure & you can read his story here:
https://www.secondchanceaihadogs.com/our-stories/worzel/
He is around 15 or 16 now & apart from old age, he’s got over his bout of IMHA pretty well.
I am sending you some general information in my next post – hope it helps.
Best wishes
Sheena & Worzel
Bearing in mind that puppy’s bones are still growing, I think your vet is right to be cautious about the drugs. I hope predisolone (or your equivalent name) will do the trick on it’s own, as it did for Amy’s Coal.
A blood smear would be very useful as it might reveal what caused this – certainly if it’s down to eating something naughty that may have caused Heinz body anaemia (that is something like a zinc coin, a battery or a garlic type plant). The smear would show Heinz bodies & oxidative damage. We have only had one case of that on here, so it’s unlikely but worth checking out.
Vaccinations – have you given any? Pups are at the age where we give them, so again, worth thinking about as a cause.
For adult dogs, here is what is usually done:
AIHA/IMHA – a quick overview for your information –
Although this is a serious disease, it can be beaten with the right treatment.
Onset can be extremely fast or it can happen gradually. The faster the onset, the more difficult it is to treat and hospitalisation is the best option. I hate the fact that fast initial onset is a difficult scenario. It is IMPERATIVE that your Vet does as many tests as possible to determine the cause – I would recommend finding a specialist in internal medicine who has experience in treating dogs with this illness AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. An inexperienced vet could cost the life of your dog. You must have absolute confidence in your vet’s ability – if in doubt, change vets straight away & find the right help. Do not be sentimental about this or your dog could be in jeopardy – your “family vet” might be amazing & wonderful in many ways, but can they treat this rare disease? Be sure, please. If you are unable to find anyone to help, contact Dr Dodds of Hemopet via our website under “Hemopet Resources”
The basic principles of initial treatment;
1. Prednisone or Prednisolone dosage 1mg per pound weight of dog divided into 2 equal doses, 12 hours apart. This is to suppress the initial auto-immune reaction quickly as it is fast acting (5-7 days). Higher doses can be given at onset in severe cases, but should be lowered as soon as possible. Injectable dexamethasone is a more potent immunosuppressant drug used in hospital for severe onset cases. Prednisone/prednisolone is always referred to as the cornerstone of treatment. It is a life saver.
Prednisone and prednisolone can cause dehydration – ensure your dog drinks plenty of water – use a syringe (without the needle of course!) to put water gently into the corner of their mouth & encourage drinking. They will also urinate more frequently & with great urgency sometimes. Accidents on the floor will probably happen & we must forgive our dogs if this happens – they really can’t help it. There are long-term side effects with the pred that we just have to live with – they cannot be avoided & must be coped with to get your dog well again. Eventually pred can be tapered SLOWLY & carefully & the side effects will diminish.
2. On definite diagnosis of AIHA/IMHA – IMMEDIATE addition of a different type (or longer acting) immuno-suppressant, azathioprine or cyclosporine, for example. There are other drugs of this type available for treatment if necessary, although some are not well tested on dogs & should not be used in preference to cyclosporine or azathioprine initially. The exception to this is when platelets are affected as well (called ITP or Evans Syndrome), in which case Vincristineis generally preferred. Your dog may need one, two or even a cocktail of these drugs before they start to produce new red blood cells (called reticulocytes when they are “baby red cells”). Occasionally, it takes time to find the drug or combination of drugs that works best, but this is uncommon.
This is very important – prednisone and prednisolone on their own will not be sufficient and dogs suffer side effects after long term use – I have NEVER come across a dog who has recovered well or completely on pred alone after a definite diagnosis – “simple anaemia” yes, AIHA/IMHA no. A dog’s primary treatment protocol should therefore include more than just prednisone or prednisolone – the dog will be treated for long periods. I have read about too many cases where the vet has not added another immuno-suppressant quickly enough, or not at all, and the dog has had a very difficult recovery or has actually become much worse, sometimes with fatal results. I am not scaremongering – I have corresponded with owners that have been through this terrible experience & I do not wish anyone to have to bear this hurt.
3. If there is any indication, even a vague suspicion, that the dog has an infection they should be tested and THEY MUST BE GIVEN ANTIBIOTICS. If not, recovery can be severely impacted due to a compromised immune system – prednisone will make an infection worse. Ticks diseases are a common trigger for this disease. Antibiotics to be avoided (if possible) are sulfa drugs, penicillins & cephalosporins, although it is sometimes necessary to use these drugs if they are the only available treatment for that particular infection. Doxycycline in high doses & for a long term (6 weeks or longer) is the drug of choice for tick diseases, plus various other infections.
4. Inappropriate or Abnormal Clotting Risk – it is ABSOLUTELY VITAL that your dog is given ultra-low dose aspirin, clopidogrel, Plavix or another anti-clotting drug (or if in hospital heparin). Ask your vet if any of the following are present in the CBC blood test and chemical screen (liver and kidney) and ALWAYS get them to do a blood smear (blood sample reviewed on a slide under the microscope)
A) “Damaged” or abnormal red cells due to immune system partially destroying or biting lumps out the cells, causing them to clump together. Clumping can cause clots.
B) Complete breakdown (haemolysis, the H in AIHA) of LARGE numbers of red cells (erythrocytes), overloading the liver and kidneys with their component parts (haemolysis) – the faster the drop in PCV the more likely this is. Presence of large numbers of spherocytes (abnormal red cells) can be a problem – they are destroyed in the spleen as they are too big & wrong shape to get through.
C) Thrombocythemia/thrombocytosis – high platelet levels of 1,000,000 or above (this usually resolves when the cause is treated and is the least likely clotting problem)
D) Auto-agglutination – clumping due to antibodies “joining” erythrocytes together (Coombs Test positive – but test is NOT 100% reliable)
E) Blood transfusions – risk of clotting due to increased auto-immune reaction to “foreign” blood.
PLEASE ALWAYS GET A BLOOD SMEAR DONE!
Blood smears sometimes reveal abnormal cells (red or platelets) that can effectively diagnose the cause or root of the problem, or spot clotting risks – ALWAYS request a blood smear.
There are STILL too many deaths from inappropriate clotting because dogs are not being given an anti-clotting medication and it really upsets me to think that some vets are not up to speed with such a dangerous scenario.
5. Stomach protection – sucralfate and famotidine (brand name pepcid) are extremely important in preventing & healing stomach ulcers which are caused by the medications like prednisone. Again it is VITAL your dog receives this to prevent /stop bleeding in the stomach. Sucralfate is particularly effective as it acts almost like a bandage to the GI tract, healing ulceration & preventing further damage.
6. Transfusions (if needed) – The general “rule” is that transfusions should be avoided until the PCV drops to 15 or below, unless the dog is really unable to cope at a higher level. Every dog is different. Vet should evaluate the patient very carefully before transfusing a dog to a PCV/HCT level of more than 25%. If it goes over this level, your dog may not produce new red blood cells on their own as their body thinks they have enough cells already, therefore SMALL transfusions are best. This is very important and some vets forget this basic fact from their initial training.
7. Very basic blood test facts & figures for most breeds:
HCT, haematocrit, is the percentage of red cells present in the blood – normal levels are between 35 – 55. PCV, packed cell volume, is a direct visual measurement of this same value. These values can be slightly different to the use of an automated analyzer to measure HCT. Some dogs such as sight hounds have a higher value naturally – 55 to 65 is normal for them.
Haemoglobin normal is 12-20 roughly depending on the particular lab’s value ranges & the breed of dog.
Platelet count normally around 170,000-400,000, again, some breeds are naturally lower, such as greyhounds.
Total White Blood Cells 4-15 mm/m3 – breeds vary again.
The term regenerative means reticulocytes are being produced in the bone marrow. The term non-regenerative means they are not being produced in the bone marrow in sufficient quantities to replace those being destroyed. Regenerative is GOOD – the dog is responding to treatment. However, if there is large value of reticulocytes and there is little increase in the number of red blood cells, there may be blood loss, perhaps due to an ulcer or tumour, or ongoing haemolysis. Cornell University consider a figure of 80,000 to be a good regenerative figure.
8. Pancreatitis can be a common side effect of prednisone with this disease – look out for vomiting &/or diarrhea, refusing food and dog in stomach pain, perhaps arching their back and groaning, stretching out full length or crying. Take them straight to the vet. Azathioprine can cause pancreatitis – it should always be given with food to lessen the risks – stop giving it immediately if you think your dog has pancreatitis & go straight to the vets. Keep food fairly low fat – fat can also aggravate the pancreas. Do not give peanut butter, even to get pills into your dog – it can often contain a sweetener called xylitol which is proven to be harmful to dogs as it can cause pancreatitis.
9. Liver enzymes often become raised. Giving Denamarin (contains Milk Thistle) will help. Denamarin also contains other ingredients which help protect the liver so is a great supplement for this disease. Prednisone & other drugs can raise liver enzymes, so Denamarin, milk thistle, Sam-E etc are all useful in preventing / lowering these enzymes.
10. Thyroxine (soloxine) is always added as part of Dr Dodds Protocol, regardless of the dog being hypothyroid or not, at the dose of 0.1mg per 10-12lbs of optimum body weight to promote new red cell production (haematopoeisis). It is also advisable to get a full thyroid panel done as hypothyroidism causes anaemia.
PLEASE REMEMBER – THIS IS JUST AN OVERVIEW. If you want more detailed information, please do not hesitate to ask – someone on https://www.secondchanceaihadogs.com usually knows the answer.
THIS DISEASE CAN BE BEATEN – HOPE IS ALWAYS THERE.
Please upload every possible test result you have – CBC, blood smears, scans etc – to our Urgent Advice area. We can interpret them for you & advise you if they have clotting issues or other problems. Blood reveals a lot!
Best wishes for a speedy recovery
Sheena
Hi Mariah! I am so sorry you have had to come looking for us but I am sure glad you have found us. I will admit I am not the best at the medical stuff but my girl at 4 mo old was on MUCH higher doses of steroids than your guy. I hope the doctors get it together for you. I have had great success with Coal by listening to everyone on here and being a strong advocate for my dog. I fought hard to get her the help she needed and I put my foot down about steroid reductions or other decision I thought were not in Coal’s best interest. Today she is a happy and very very healthy 16 month old Sassy girl who is fully enjoying life free of the Steroid River. This is going to be a very emotional time for you. Try to take a min for yourself even if its to sit with a cup of tea and not think about IMHA. We are no good to our families or our dogs if we wear ourselves thin. Also please do not feel like you are bothering your vets office or us. Call them and ask questions! All the questions you want. It is their job to make sure you are being helped through this. Also please do not hesitate to ask anything and everything you need to here.We are more than willing and happy to help.
You are all in my prayers.
Warmly,
Amy and The Girls ( Coal, Leia & Vidia)
Thankyou Amy for your support. I written a list of so many questions to ask the vet after learning so much more information from all the beautiful souls on this page. I’m so happy for you that coal has come so far and is off the steroids it gives me so much great hope hearing about these things happening and I don’t feel so much gloom and darkness about the situation. I have been wondering though even with the medication and when the dogs had recovered did they still have the same quality of life and able to do all the things an otherwise healthy dog could do or was it abit different and to be careful of the level of activity and excitement they get them selfs into in worry not to cause damage to them cause of the decreases oxygen flowing in there bodies?
Well if it helps at all Coal and Leia were out today running at 100MPH until they were both so exhausted they passed out asleep the min we got home for about 4 hours. Coal does everything other dogs do. The only exception is dog parks. I will not take her to a dog park because we really don’t know how much immunity she has or if her vaccinations even worked properly so we are not sure what she is susceptible to. That being said she goes everywhere with us as she is a service animal.
Ok Thankyou yer that would be a good point to look into cause normally I would take storm to the dog beach twice a day cause he loves it so much and has made so many friends down there. Something else to ask the vet.
Thankyou