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Hi Amy
I was always nervous at every reduction – we can’t help it! But you are being very sensible & taking things nice & slowly. That’s really good. Sending lots of good wishes for her continuing great recovery
Love Sheena, Worzel & Ollie xxxx
Quick update as I am on my iPad. We did the reduction on Monday. Today (Friday) we did her PCV it was 50!!!!!!!! Yes!! We are going to stay on 10 mg for three more weeks then she wants to switch to 10mg every other day. Does anyone disagree with this ? I thought we were supposed to go down to 5mg a day. I don’t want to make a mistake here so please chime in. Thank you! I miss you all. Hubbys still gone and I am a single momma. This equals a tired momma!
Love & sassy slobber kisses
Amy& Coal.
Hi Amy
I thought I had replied to you yesterday – I admit to being an idiot on my tablet, so I probably touched the wrong thing (again)!
Great PCV – congratulations!!!!!
This is my personal opinion – hope others will say what they think too. We always prefer to go down to 5mg per day, then go to 5mg every other day with the pred for adult dogs of this weight. Worzel was about 23kgs – so I say this personally on the recommendation of my specialist & our wonderful Dr Dodds & that is what I stuck to & what I would advise anyone else to do. Also the low dose every other day helps those poor adrenal glands to have less of a hard time!
I am so cautious, Amy – slower is better than faster in my opinion. Obviously, as Coal is very young, so maybe your vet has a good reason for going quicker, but I would discuss this with them. If Coal has no serious pred side effects, I would personally opt for the slower reduction. I wish I were a vet – but I’m not, so I can only offer my view from “experience” with lots of other owners.
I have been a “home alone” too – hoping my hubbie will be back safely tomorrow. When is yours back? Soon I hope!
Take good care
Love Sheena & the boys xxxxx
Amy, I agree with Sheena. Whilst that is a normal reduction when dealing with joint or skin issues, so many times, doing that 50% drop, and in particular going quickly to every second day, as in Bingo’s case, we’ve relapsed and had to go back to “Go” again and there was no $200 to collect (TWICE !!) . I would also strongly recommend slowing it down. I was going to suggest 7.5mg for a few weeks before dropping to 5mg for a bit.
Paranoid Vally & Bingo (who’s not paranoid)
xxx
Thank you! I thought 5mg a day was a better option. She isn’t having side effects now like she was on the higher doses. So I don’t see a need to rush. I will speak to her on our net appointment in three weeks. Thank you again! I knew you would steer me in the right direction.
Paranoid Amy & Coal ( who is also not paranoid!) :)
Hi Amy,have just been reading your posts, so glad to hear Coal is doing so well xxx I know what its like with these reductions , we are in the process of reducing Snoopys predon, and it does take a while, im trying to be patient but cant wait till he is off them all.He is currently on 5mg in morning 5mg in evening, and doing very well.Still doing the checking gums routine! give a big hug to Coal for me , love Jill & Snoopy xxxx
OK EXPERTS….. HELP!! So we have all talked about reduction rates and the % of reduction. I know I am not very good at the “maths” but… 10mg with a 20% reduction is 8mg. Correct? So to drop to 5mg is too much right? How do I dose 8 mg? do they make a pill this size? UGH! I HATE ALL OF THIS CRAP! I AM SO DONE!!! STICK A FORK IN ME! On a brighter note…. We have been put on the waiting list for our next puppy! Squeeeeee!!! Another girl standard poodle for my youngest son Quinn. Coal is Mase’s puppy. Quinn has been waiting patiently and would already have his pup from the spring litter but with Coals sickness we had to get off that list. I am hoping for a Silver this time but will be happy with any color. except white or cream we have said no to that as my boys have these dogs in the pond and out playing and they get super filthy. Our last pup was a total mud bug! I miss her so much. :( I will say this. The new pup will be on a vaccination DELAY! Ok thats my news for today and if you can help me out with the dose reduction that would be great!!!
Amy,
When you get down to the lower doses of prednisone they are not necessarily immunosuppressive anymore but rather the reduction is done to help wake up the adrenal glands. These lower doses are considered anti-inflammatory and are used for conditions like skin allergies or arthritis.
So the objective is to help the glands wake up properly. The task is to provide the body, as best as you can, the amount of cortisol the adrenal glands would produce each day if they were healthy and working properly. Since each dog is different, the dose can be different from one dog to the next to help wean the dog from prednisone.
Stress is the trigger for the body to release more cortisol. For humans that might be seeing another car coming straight at you. But for a dog stress can be as simple as you get up from the chair to answer the door bell, your dog will react quickly and with extreme vigor. The cortisol stimulates the heart and lungs to ready it for fight or flight. I am sure you have felt this on a few occasions as you react to stress.
So what if the adrenal glands are not working very well yet and the door bell rings? If your dog doesn’t have enough cortisol at this point, they could jump up and feel very weak. They could be a little dizzy or the worst is they could collapse.
Please read my guidelines for prednisone reduction:
https://www.secondchanceaihadogs.com/AIHA_Terms/prednisone-dose-reduction/
You can be the judge of how your dog is reacting to the doses of prednisone you give them. When you get to lower doses like this, try to simulate as best as possible the normal doggie day by giving the dose in the morning. So 5mg in the morning would be fine to try. If you see what you think is listlessness, give 7.5mg. That would be an additional half tab.
Eventually your vet will want you to attempt to go to an every other day dose. To do the math properly, average out the daily dose by adding up the doses over 10 days (to make the math easier) . So 10 days x 5 = 50 mg. Now take either 25 or 33% of that.
So lets try 50mg x .66 = 33mg. (33mg / 10 = 3.3mg per day.)
50mg x .75 = 37.5mg (37.5mg / 10 = 3.75mg per day.)
Pick something close you can dose with. If this were me I’d go with buying 2mg pills and give 4mg every other day either all in the morning or giving 2 mg twice a day.
So if there are issues with weakness, collapse etc, you could add another 2mg pill to get 6mg every other day (so maybe 4mg in the morning and 2mg at night). The objective is to not to half the total weekly dose suddenly but make an average decrease over the week by 25%.
Once you have read the page I linked to carefully you will know what side effects to look for. You can do this, it’s not hard. Watch your dog’s behavior closely.
I should also note here for anyone else reading this. When you decrease prednisone you may see other conditions suddenly become worse. That can be confusing and make you think that this is a bad reaction to the lowered dose.
Conditions like arthritis for instance respond well to prednisone and removing the drug makes the arthritis return.
Skin allergies can also be suppressed during high dose use and suddenly become very bad when the dose is lowered.
There are many conditions like this that are treated with prednisone that can return when the dose is removed. Try to anticipate this will happen and work out another way to treat these other conditions.
For instance allergies respond very well to Atopica and that would be a valid use of this drug. It doesn’t interact at all with the prednisone, but rather would take the place of the prednisone’s anti-inflammatory behavior.
my best
patrice