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Our dog Izzie is recovery from AIHA and was diagnosed in 2/17. Currently her blood is at 37%. We have reduced her prednisone to 10mg twice a day currently. Is it better to continue a 25-33%reduction every 2-3 weeks on a daily basis or start her on an every other day dosage?
Thank you so much,
Elizabeth Cox
Thank you I have started decreasing her prednisone further as you suggested every 2-3 weeks. She doesn’t have to many side effects except her liver enzyme levels are sky high. Our vet says he is not worried and it will come down after she is off it.
Lastly, I want to say to anyone going through this with their dog to not give up. It is very hard and an emotional roller coaster. Izzie almost died several times. She had 4 blood transfusions and finally it started getting better and now her blood is in the low normal range. She is not yet her total self but she is happy! Thanks for all your information and encouragement!
Elizabeth, good luck with the continued reductions. For the liver enzymes, you can use Denamarin. It’s the best thing there is and it’s dose precise for dogs. It works quickly to help the liver recover. You can get it from Amazon.
There’s a link on this page to the Denamarin information.
https://www.secondchanceaihadogs.com/second-chance-resources/supplement-resources/
Vally
Hi Elizabeth,
Here is an AIHA Terms with our recommendations for prednisone reduction.
https://www.secondchanceaihadogs.com/AIHA_Terms/prednisone-dose-reduction/
You can see this is a relatively conservative approach that seems to help prevent sudden relapses. Not all dogs relapse, but a number of them do. We have found that these relapses further weaken an already sick dog, and though usually treatable with returning to higher doses of immunosuppressive drugs, it’s just another insult to their little bodies. A few dogs do not recover from sudden and horrific relapses.
There are some instances where a vet will put a dog on a more rapid reduction. There are cases where the dog has extremely severe side effects, such as horrendous liver values (in the range of 10-30x normal), pancreatitis or rarer cases of prednisone induced diabetes where it is urgent to halt the progression of diabetes. I urge owners to let their vet make these more rapid decreases. It’s a balance between trying to eliminate the nasty side effects and dealing with the risks involved with rapid reductions such as relapse or a severe condition called an Addisonian Crisis (read about this on the link I pasted above.)
When you reduce the prednisone to much lower immunosuppressive doses (such as 10mg day) you will reach a point where the dose is more or less equivalent to the amount of cortisol the body would make in a normal day. At this point you can begin dosing alternative days, attempting to reach a dose that is about 25-33% less OVER A FULL WEEK’S DOSAGE. (In other words don’t use the same daily dose you have been giving or even a lower dose and suddenly make it every other day, you have to make the every other day dose higher to start!) This requires a little math and is not an exact science, so don’t stress over this. You are trying to coax the shriveled adrenal glands to wake up and the every other day dose is like taking the training wheels off a tricycle.
So let’s say you went from dosing 15mg two times daily to 15mg x 66% = 10 mg two times a day.
You want to go to a once a day dose. 20mg x66% = 15mg once a day. This is best given at the start of the day when the dog needs more cortisone to supply cortisol for routine stress, the mailman needs to be barked at, there is running in the yard etc. Alternatively you could give this as 10mg in the AM and 5mg in the PM.
Now you are at a daily 15mg and you want to go to 10mg daily. This is easy, 15mgx66% = 10mg once per day in the AM.
Now you want to reduce to every other day (eod). 10×8=80mg per week. (I use an 8 day week to make the math easier.) 80mgx66% = 52.8. You can go to 50mg per week. 50mg/4 = 12.5. Make this either 15mg eod or 10 mg eod on M-W-F-Sun, dosed in the morning.
I would make these changes about every 2 weeks. Precede each change with a simple PCV at the vets to ensure there are no LARGE drops. Small fluctuations will be quite acceptable. This test should not cost you more than $20. Do not repeat a full CBC each time. If you are worried about liver enzymes during this time, ask you vet if they will do just a liver panel, not the full chemical screen.
During this time you must be alert for the side effects that are natural when reducing prednisone such as weakness and tiring easily, taken to the extreme you are worried about sudden collapse and other serious side effects that require an emergency visit to the vet.
In addition, dogs that had prior disease conditions such as arthritis or digestive problems or other autoimmune condition such as allergies will suddenly appear to get worse. The prednisone was performing antiinflammatory benefits and reducing the prednisone makes the pain worse and the allergies or the digestive symptoms worse. Some dogs just do better on a little bit of daily prednisone the rest of their lives to prevent relapses and if the secondary benefit is less joint pain or less bothersome allergic reactions, this is a very reasonable approach.
When our very ill dogs begin to get better we wonder if they will return to full good health. I can tell you from experience that we often go into these horrible diseases with one dog and come out with a slightly different dog. Their personalities usually remain intact, but they are a bit more fragile than they once were. Accept this and move forward. If giving a small amount of prednisone each day makes them feel better and they are less prone to a relapse then you are choosing quality of life for them.
Many dogs go on to live for many years after they recover. We always recommend a more carefully guarded approach to their lives. Less stress is the goal. This can be medical (such as too many vaccinations or unnecessary operations), environmental (exposure to chemicals, pollution, other dogs, other canine diseases, bad water, dangerous insects such as mosquitoes and ticks), dietary (such as feeding kibble), hormonal (if they are still intact, spay or neuter, and no puppies.) See your vet every 6 months for a checkup.
Do you have any questions about how I have explained the prednisone reductions?
my best, Patrice
Thank you Patrice. Unfortunately Izzie relapsed last night and she is back in a high dose of Prednisone. She doesn’t want to eat her homemade food and has vomited. I followed the reduction at 25% every 2-3 weeks and a week ago her blood was at 37.6%. Now it has dropped 6 percentage points, her gums are pale, she seems interested in eating but then won’t. I am heartbroken since her journey to this point had been a hard one with 4
Transfusions. I am feeling so guilty that I reduced her and this happened. She had been doing so good. Any suggestions would help me so much. Thank you
Liz
Liz, what actually happened last night? What dose of prednisone has she gone back up to and what was her PCV? Also her weight.
Do you have any blood tests results? If you do, send them through on the Urgent Advice and Patrice can have a look at them for you and let you know what’s happening.
I know you’re heartbroken. I was the same with Bingo when this happened, but Bingo recovered. As Patrice mentioned above, Bingo was one of the dogs required to stay on a small dose of prednisone for life. Of course, I wanted him off it but it was no big deal and it gave him a good quality of life.
If she’s interested in eating but won’t eat, it makes me wonder if she has a sore tummy. Can you list all medications she’s on now.
Regards, Vally
Thank you Vally for the quick response it means the world to me. I downloaded Izzie’s blood results from today on the Urgent Advice.
Izzie started acting funny. Going upstairs when she normal wouldn’t, breathing heavier, vomited and wouldn’t eat her normal meal. I took her in this morning to have her blood checked. Her vet put her on 30mg twice daily. Her HCT was 31.4 down from 36.7 (17 days ago). She weighs 55 pounds. She is also on Denamarin 425mg once a day, Famotidine 20mg twice daily, Ursodiol 300mg 1/2 pill twice daily, and the Prednisone, Pet-tinic 1 tsp daily and Omega 3 Pet 1 tsp daily. The vet increased her Famotidine to 40mg twice daily today since she has vomited all day. She also finally ate her homemade food (fish, sweet potato) when I warmed it. Will see if she holds that down. Thank you so much. You truly give me the peace and encouragement I need at this time.
Sincerely,
Liz