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- Suspected IMHA for Macy and waiting on official blood work results
My little Macy (9.7 lbs) is suspected to have IMHA after taking her to the vet yesterday afternoon. The whole experience was a blur. I will get copies of the blood results they showed me there but I remember 14% being the number that everyone always wants to go up. She also has the autoagglutination. I’ve been reading ever since I got home and have found nothing that gives me any hope. She was given a shot of dexamethasone and prescribed 10 mg prednisolone to start while waiting for the blood results that were sent off to return. She is very lethargic and won’t eat regular food or drink. I’ve been giving her water with a syringe and would like suggestions on what to try to feed her. I think she would eat people food but isn’t interested in her regular salmon/potato dry food. Is there any hope for her? I don’t like that the vet wasn’t more forthcoming about how severe her condition is. Any help/advice would be appreciated. I love this dog but just cannot afford some of these treatments I’ve been reading about.
Lynette,
I am sorry to read about Macy, you must be frantic with worry.
There is plenty to be hopeful for, you got her to the vets and she is in treatment. The drugs take a little time to to become effective. Your vet may want to consider a transfusion at this point. Don’t be worried about this it will help improve how she feels and probably make her want to eat.
As for diet right now it would be best to use very easy to digest foods like little bit of cooked chicken and some overcooked wet rice.
Is your vet prescribing stomach protection like Pepcid? Prednisone can be very hard on the stomach and can lead to stomach ulcers. The dose would be very small considering her weight. Maybe a quarter pill a half hour before her first meal of the day.
Also in the early days of hemolytic anemia there is a risk of inappropriate blood clotting. Talk to your vet about using low-dose aspirin to protect against this.
Read the forum topics to see how other people have had success. Also on this website we have Our Stories where you can read how other people have helped their dogs. There are also many helpful resources that you can read or links to websites that will also help you understand some of the drugs that are used or test that are given. Look under AIHA Terms and also under Second Chance Resources.
To upload files for the moderators use the form on the urgent advice page. We would love to look over any blood work and lab results and help you understand what they are saying.
Are there any questions I can answer for you?
My best, Patrice
Thanks for replying, Patrice. I literally have not quit crying since yesterday and the more I read the more scared I am. I will talk to the vet about Pepcid and start her on it tomorrow morning. She just had her first dose of the Prednisone this morning. She excitedly ate some scrambled eggs my husband had made this morning and drank water without me trying to force her. She’s been potty (#1) twice today already and it didn’t look abnormally dark. For the most part she is just resting on her blanket next to me. I am really concerned about the transfusion and if I will be able to afford it. I figure they will probably recommend that next but I have no idea how much that costs and quite frankly am afraid to find out. How long do they generally wait after starting the Prednisone to recheck the blood? Do you think they will want to do a transfusion immediately or keep her on Prednisone for a few days first? I’m going to go read more of this forum after work. It’s too hard to try to keep myself together while reading about this and still be functional at work.
Lynette,
I really understand how hard this is. You have NO idea what to expect and you are trying to make decisions based solely on your emotional reactions.
My goal has always been to educate owners with enough information so they can make educated decisions. It is impossible, in a short time, to explain everything you need to know. So for some of this you will have to trust our experience and knowledge. I’ve read plenty of the negative stuff you are accessing. The diagnosis and treatments of these canine blood diseases is not straightforward and the opinions can vary from one vet clinic to the next. In my opinion and experience, if certain steps are taken from day one, there can be great successes. Not all vets are completely experienced with all these diseases and they can make small errors in the early days that can lead to problems.
In the early days of hemolytic anemia what you should expect is extremely variable depending on many things. From my viewpoint and experience, the most important thing you should expect is your vet to make sure that they have ruled out ALL causes for hemolytic anemia that may respond to remedial treatments.
A good example of this are tick diseases. Some tick diseases can be the cause of hematological disease. So there is a simple, in clinic, test called the SNAP 4DX+ that can perform a yes/no for 4 tick diseases and heartworm. It takes about 8 min to perform in the vet’s office and requires a tiny bit of blood. It shouldn’t cost more than $40. But yet many vet clinics do not offer this test or skip over it, not thinking it is important to consider.
There are other rule outs that I like to see done in the early days as well. Getting a look at your paperwork and test results will tell me if these were done or might need to be done.
In any dog there can be multiple triggers that lead to the development of AIHA IMHA or bone marrow failure. Sometimes it is just one trigger or more often it can be a combination of triggers that pushes the immune system to “not be tolerant of self.” An example would be a female dog that is still intact and the vet tells the owner it is time for her yearly vaccine boosters. Let’s also say that this dog has had bad allergies all of it’s life. This is a recipe for problems and after the booster shots the dog has an immediate autoimmune response that leads to hemolytic anemia.
So part of your job is to think back and develop a list of all these kinds of things and determine if any of them play a role in what is happening. The list can be extremely variable. Dr. Dodds of Hemopet.org has developed a lengthy list of these contributions and I am going to post a shortened version here.
Genetic or familial history
Pregnancy
Stress
environmental
emotional
physiological
Hormonal Irregularities
Nutritional Influences
deficiency or imbalances
trace minerals
nutrients
vitamins
chemical preservatives
toxins in feeds
chemical or drug residues
spoiled feeds
Adverse Drug Reactions
Viral Infection
parvovirus
retroviruses
cytomegalovirus
measles and distemper viruses
hepatitis viruses
Frequent or Recent Use of MLV Vaccines
parvovirus
distemper
hepatitis – Lyme (vaccines alone or in combination)
Bordetella
rabies
Underlying or Concomitant Disease
lymphoma or leukemia (retrovirus infections)
bone marrow failure (low red and white cells, platelets)
immune dysregulation
humoral – cellular (immunodeficiency )
chronic infections
bacterial
viral
parasitic
fungal
Other Autoimmune Disorders
Will she need a transfusion? We don’t know yet, it is very possible with the early treatment of immunosuppressant drugs like dexamethasone and prednisone the destruction of the red blood cells can be stopped. So how do we know?
In these early days they should be monitoring the PCV pack cell volume and the HCT hematocrit frequently, in answer to your question. There are many other things on the CBC complete blood count I would like to see as well. The PCV is a simple and quick test and really should be done every few days in the beginning. It requires a small amount of blood in a tiny tube that is held up to a chart for a visual read (and should be inexpensive!) We would like to see her PCV rise from 14% in the next week. Ideally it would be nice to see it into the mid 20’s. Then there would be less need to consider a transfusion. But, sometimes it is just necessary to do a transfusion.
If Macy has never had a previous transfusion there is no need to type and match donor blood (less $$). The first transfusion is “free of reactions.” After the first transfusion and all subsequent transfusions, they must be typed and matched to ensure she won’t have a reaction.
In theory any competent vet can perform a transfusion and some vets do have a “donor dog” they use for this purpose. Other clinics may rely solely on purchased universal donor blood. In most cases of AIHA the best blood is that which contains most of the blood elements.
If your vet seems to be struggling with what to do, they may not be the best choice for this procedure. However, if your own vet feels confident and you trust them, it can be less expensive than using an expensive emergency clinic. I paid about $300 at my own vets, these procedures take anywhere from 2-4 hours so they are very labor intensive. I considered this a bargain.
Please, set aside your grief and unhappiness. Macy can sense this and it is upsetting to her. Your job now is to help her, be cheerful and give her all of your love each day. I promise you, once she is better, you can set aside a whole day to just cry if you want, but right now it’s not giving you a clear mind. I know this is extremely hard but I have seen many owners become very disciplined and saved their dog’s life. You can do this and we will help you.
my best, patrice
Lynette,
I am so sorry to hear that you are having to experience this awful disease, but everyone on this site is so knowledgeable and can provide some tips from personal experience, so as Patrice said, do not give up hope! I remember reading all of the poor prognosis articles prior to finding this site that actually had helpful information for my dog Murphy (diagnosed Nov 2016).
Scrambled eggs were a life saver for Murphy, so thats great that Macy is eating and drinking! That was a big struggle for us and we stuck to scrambled eggs, and chicken (those rotisserie chickens were great for me and Murphy!) very bland food to start.
I have no where near the experience as Patrice, Vally and some of the others on here, but I know that everything can add up cost wise and how thats just one more unnecessary stressor. My vet gave me a great suggestion to shop around for some drugs, Costco, Wal Mart and Sams Club will fill some of the common canine medications for very cheap (we got one of our antibiotics for $4 at Sams Club). You just need to be careful, my vet wrote VERY detailed prescriptions. The nice thing about prednisone is it tends to be a cheap drug. We got Murphy’s pepcid over the counter at CVS and my vet just told me what dose. Murphy is also pretty small (11 lbs) and his aspirin had to be specially compounded but ended up being about $30 for a 30 day supply.
The support and advice you will find here is so valuable, and helped me to save Murphy, who is currently in remission playing with his brother Milo and chasing squirrels out of his yard. Hoping for the prednisone to get to working quickly in your Macy!
Erin and Murphy
Hi Lynette, I’m so sorry to hear about Macy.
I second everything that has been said. There certainly IS hope and the fact that you’ve sought treatment quickly is the best thing you could have done.
Resting is good for her and the prednisone, I found, makes them extra tired. Right now with the low red blood count, she won’t feel like moving about too much and that is normal.
I’m thrilled to hear she was hungry and wolfed down her scrambled eggs. Yes, stick with simple foods for now, chicken, rice, eggs, that’s great and easy for her to digest.
I know you’re terrified. We’ve all been there. I can honestly say, it’s also left me very paranoid. Whenever I was at the vet, and still now (even with another dog) everything seems to go in one ear and out the other. I tend to write stuff down or I forget to ask what I want to ask, and then usually when I’m home, end up ringing up again to double check what I’ve been told.
Crossing everything for you that Macy won’t need a transfusion and you can be spared the expense. As Erin said, for the drugs, ask for prescriptions and get them filled where it’s cheaper. Tell the vet money is a problem for you, they won’t mind doing the scripts I’m sure. I was paying 3 times the amount of the drugs at the vets to what I could buy them at a chemist.
We were doing a PCV test 3 times a week. It’s not a full blood test, they only use a few drops of blood and it’s not a very expensive test and is usually done in office.
Lynette ask anything at all. We want to help you through this. Praying and sending lots of good wishes to you and Macy.
Vally
Thanks so much for the words of encouragement. I have pulled myself together and have finally got some much needed sleep, a whole six hours! I spoke to the vet yesterday and Macy’s diagnosis was confirmed and we will go in Friday for a quick check before the weekend. If she has remained stable we will return next week to see if the prednisone is helping. He seems to think that her case has had more of a gradual onset and she’s just gradually declined. He also said she was regenerating rapidly and that that was good news. I’m still waiting on him to forward the blood results so I can upload after calling twice yesterday. If I have to drive down there and pick them up in person today I will.
As for how Macy is doing, I’m cautiously optimistic. She continued eating yesterday and was drinking on her own without me having to force it with a syringe. She has been urinating normally as far as I can tell and last evening even did a small #2. I kept her as still and quiet as possible and last night she slept great right smack in the middle of the bed.
This morning she wagged her tail! It was up in the air and wiggling as she went potty with her younger sister Jost. Her older brother, Bandit (nearly 14), was dancing around her trying to get her to play. I have no idea what’s going to happen but seeing that filled me with hope that just maybe little Macy would be just mean enough to beat this awful disease.
Hi Lynette! So sorry you and Macy are going through this. But hang in there! This awful disease requires a lot of time and patience to manage. My Charlie’s red blood cell count went really low in the early stages too but we got through it without a transfusion. Good job with the eggs. That was the only thing I could get Charlie to eat too. We’re 6 months into this, and he’s returned to eating his normal meals, but every morning he still demands his scrambled eggs. So, this disease has made him a bit spoiled, but I am willing to give him just about anything to see him healthy and happy again. Keep posting, and you and Macy definitely got our prayers and good vibes! Sincerely Ramona & Charlie